Why so hard on Christians?

Published on April 23, 2006 By brassblaster In Religion

Is it just me, or does it seems to be open season on Christians these days? We have no Jiihad in our bible. If you are or not a Christian, I would hope that you would be able to plainly see the injustices being brought against those of Christian faith. Christian high school students not being allowed to form Christian clubs in their own school, yet Muslims and anyone even closely connected to the homosexual community have free reign.
Am I missing something here? Weren't our countries born of Christian forfathers?
Do we, as Christians, strap explocives to our bodies to cause as much pain and suffering, all in the name of a god that requires this kind of action?
Of course not, because we believe that God loves us all,equally and passionately. And yet we are ridiculed. Yet we are called bigots for standing for what we believe in.
What happened recently in the news when a newspaper published cartoon characterizations of the prophet muhomad? Calling it a peacefull protest is a gross understatement.
What happened with a recent episode of South Park when they depicted Jesus in a rather unfortunate predicamate? Were we calling for the heads of the head writers, or we quitely sitting down, letting those who could not restrain themselves voice their displeasure. There are much bigger pictures to concern us more, much more than a simple episode of a show that ridicules anything that they can think of that, they think, possibly put Jesus in a bad light.
The bigger picture is simple. Either there is a God that created us and loved us enough to send his Son to die on a cross for our sins, or we are all fools to believe that there is anything after death but a box with six feet of earth on top. Me? God is real. I'm staking my life on Him!!

Comments (Page 2)

bakerstreet

on Apr 23, 2006

Please, you even ripped into people grieving for the dead. Your adolescent crap isn't even worth quoting any more. Don't assume just because we don't mention your "I'm smart, look at me." crap that we can't find anything to say about it. It's just become less than comment worthy.

It's like those times at family reunions when the grown-ups are talking about politics and the 14 year old starts yammering things he heard someone on TV say. It's obvious the person is talking about themselves, not the issue at hand. You get a short, uncomfortable silence where everyone acknoledges the stupidity of it, and then they move on.

Ionolast

on Apr 23, 2006

Please, you even ripped into people grieving for the dead.

What the hell are you talking about? I'm against the protesters.

Ionolast

on Apr 23, 2006

It's like those times at family reunions when the grown-ups are talking about politics and the 14 year old starts yammering things he heard someone on TV say. It's obvious the person is talking about themselves, not the issue at hand. You get a short, uncomfortable silence where everyone acknoledges the stupidity of it, and then they move on.

That's the most asinine thing I've read in a long time. Nice effort to distract from the topic. The uncomfortable silence is when everyone acknowledges the truth.

KFC Kickin For Christ

on Apr 23, 2006

What religious person doesn't pick and choose Bible verses?

not me!! I use the WHOLE thing even if it's not what I want to hear at the moment. I don't consider myself a cafeteria Christian.

Ionolast

on Apr 23, 2006

Your adolescent crap isn't even worth quoting any more.

It's just become less than comment worthy.

You just aren't able to comment.

I don't need your approval, so don't try to make me want it. I know there are a lot of other people more intelligent than you who agree with me.

Chakgogka

on Apr 23, 2006

I think part of the issue for many of us is that we live in a society that is so bent on expressing "tolerance", that it is unfathomable some of those same individuals could be so blatantly INtolerant of our beliefs as Christians.

This is true, and it does, if only momentarily make me wonder how workable 'tolerance' actually is.

If you look back in history then tolerance is an idea associated with Liberalism (inevitable disclaimer: in its original European meaning). Europe had been racked by wars of religion (the Thirty Years War [1618-1648] left about 20% of the population of Germany dead!) for a couple of centuries. The principle of cuius regio, eius religio - the people have to follow the religion of their ruler - also meant that Protestant thrones were claimed by Catholic pretenders and vice versa, leading to more fighting and killing.

In the end the smartest people realised that no side could win and the struggle of each side to impose its views on the other would simply go on indefinitely killing millions more. Tolerance (originally religious tolerance) therefore came about not as some noble abstract idea, but as a desperately needed practical solution to an awful problem.

And that in itself is the problem. Tolerance only really works when neither side can impose its views on the other. As long as the possibility of doing so still exists, then tolerance is not "needed". And in the modern western world, where these disagreements lead to electoral battles rather than bloody conflicts, that 'need' for tolerance is less keenly felt.

Having forgotten the origins of tolerance as a kind of necessary truce, it is instead bandied about today as a 'noble idea', in which guise it doesn't seem to work quite so well.

bakerstreet

on Apr 23, 2006

Iconoclast: Anyone who wants to can read your posts and see if they don't sound like 14 year-olds talking a bit too loud, trying to make themselves seem to be more than they are by downing others. You think the statement:

"When I see hundreds of people placing candles and flowers in front of a stain on a freeway underpass which only vaguely resembles a human, I know they're idiots."

...makes you sound smart? It makes me want to pinch your cheeks, give you a noogie, and tell you to grow up a bit more before you open your mouth. The impression you leave with me is a bitter, needy person who has to spout a trite little quip every other word in order to feel you're impressing people.

You should know by now, that making fun of other people's faith doesn't make you look big, it just puts your inadequacies in the spotlight. Of course you need approval. You wouldn't be talking to people like this if you didn't.

Ionolast

on Apr 23, 2006

You think the statement:"When I see hundreds of people placing candles and flowers in front of a stain on a freeway underpass which only vaguely resembles a human, I know they're idiots."...makes you sound smart?

If you think those people are rational and intelligent, you're an idiot. I was giving my reasons for being hard on Christians. Read the rest of that paragraph again. Maybe you need to practice your reading comprehension.

Of course you need approval

Of course I do. From somebody. Everyone does. I said I don't need yours.

Ionolast

on Apr 23, 2006

And you still haven't answered post #17.

Ionolast

on Apr 23, 2006

You should know by now, that making fun of other people's faith doesn't make you look big, it just puts your inadequacies in the spotlight.

I'm disappointed. I thought I was doing more than just making fun of it. I guess you haven't read enough of my anti-religion posts. Ask RW.

Dick Gozinya

on Apr 24, 2006

Hello, What "tirade"?

Your entire post was a tirade. Let me refresh your memory.

I am so dissappointed in them.

Are Christians the only religious people you are dissappointed in? Do Muslims, Jews, or Buddhists behave any better or worse AS A WHOLE? Certainly there are no hypocrites to be found in any religion except Christianity, by the tone of your post.

If only Christians would behave as their Master asks. But this is the problem, they do not, in the main, and moreover, are often in your face about it

And if self-satisfied Buddhists would not be so condescending to the "unenlightened," we might actually have a dialogue here, instead of endless bouts of finger-pointing.

They knock on your door, invite you to pray with them in their way, of course, witness for Jesus, then condemn you for not following him

I have invited many of these evangelists into my home, and in spite of my not sharing their beliefs, I've yet to have a single one condemn me. Perhaps it's because I am respectful of THEIR beliefs. You get back the same attitude you offer in most cases.

When I share my point of view and faith practices with them, they get a little white in the face and can't seem to wait until they are out the door, informing me on their way that I am going to eternal damnation. Yeppers, just the sort of thing that wins hearts and minds.

I think this sentence demonstrates exactly why you get so little out of these encounters. You invite them in not to hear what THEY have to say, but to educate them about YOUR (presumeably superior) belief system. Obviously you aren't interested in their Christian beliefs, and feel you already know enough about them to have made your decision, so why do you rudely waste their time if you aren't trying to accomplish a little converting of your own?

On the other hand, I welcome people of all faiths to my Zen Center and Temple.

Do you not see your own self-righteous condescention in this statement? Let me break it down for you, then. You are simply saying "I am BETTER than them because I do such and such, while THEY do this and that." I thought Buddhists were supposed to be modest and unassuming, not considering themselves to be superior to ANY other living being, but your every statement shouts just that, "My beliefs are more advanced than yours, I am therefore superior to you." Besides, no self-respecting Christian would be visiting such a temple in the first place.

My granddaughter, much to my dismay, is being schooled at a Baptist church school.

Why dismayed? Because your feel YOUR beliefs are superior, that's why.

I felt good about this until I opened it to see that it was a manual on how to approach Buddhists to show them the fallacy of their faith and to convert them to the "one, true faith."

Like it or not, that IS part of their doctrine, they are simply following the tenets of their faith.

Poison right there in church.

Of course, this isn't over the top. Poison? You claim you posted no tirade yet compare their teachings to poison.

Our library, and I chance to say, all Buddhist libraries would not contain such a book about approaching Christians. In fact, some of the Dalai Lama's works, as well as Thich Nhat Hahn's say to the contrary, stay with your faith, deepen it, do not convert to Buddhism! I say the same at Zen Center.

This is a disingenuous remark at best. Buddhism is not a faith at all, at least not in the traditional sense. You have no "God" to worship, so of course it's ok to let people stay with their faith. Do you suggest that Christians do the same? Allow anyone with any belief system at all believe that they will be "saved" as long as they are a "good person?" They cannot rewrite their entire dogma to suit you, and whether YOU (or assholes like Icononclast) like it or not, or think it fair and proper, it is what it is. Why can't you respect that? Or is your respect only offered to those who respect YOUR beliefs?

The only thing worse than a sanctimonious, self-righteous Christian is a sanctimonious, self-righteous Buddhist.

To use a quote from the Poisonous Book itself, "Remove the beam from your own eye before worrying about the mote in someone else's."

And DO meditate on humility. You definitely need some work in that area.

Dick Gozinya

on Apr 24, 2006

Considering your user name and some of the words in your post which I've quoted, I think you're the perv.

And here I thought the name was just humorous.

Hell of a comeback, Iconoclast! Ranks right up there with "neener neener neener." Them again, one could hardly expect a REAL argument from such a narrow-minded, hateul peabrain such as yourself.

Ionolast

on Apr 24, 2006

such a narrow-minded, hateul peabrain such as yourself.

Yes, I hate everybody. Not just Christians. Especially immature dumbasses like yourself.

Certainly there are no hypocrites to be found in any religion except Christianity, by the tone of your post.

Exactly why all religions are bullshit.

I have invited many of these evangelists into my home, and in spite of my not sharing their beliefs, I've yet to have a single one condemn me.

Probably because you share some of their beliefs or else you wouldn't be arguing against those of us who don't.

Besides, no self-respecting Christian would be visiting such a temple in the first place.

Why not? Because they don't respect any religion but their own?

Hell of a comeback, Iconoclast! Ranks right up there with "neener neener neener."

It's necessary so you can understand.

Or is your respect only offered to those who respect YOUR beliefs?

Look in the mirror.

Ionolast

on Apr 24, 2006

And here I thought the name was just humorous

That's because you're an idiot.

Ionolast

on Apr 24, 2006

And here I thought the name was just humorous

That's because you're an immature idiot.

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